Monday, July 26, 2010

On Atheism

I think its about time I spoke up about this, even though I've been keeping my mouth shut on this particular issue for years now.  I avoid this one mostly because I used to be about as fervent a believer in this faith as any other member.  At the time, I figured myself smarter than everybody else, and working hard to free them from a self-imposed evil delusion.  And now all I can see is a stupid little kid who was angry at the world for no real reason.  So I'm going to put all my eggs in a basket right here and say it:  atheists are annoying.

There's a Party Line for the atheist religion - a series of assumptions that an atheist in order to be an atheist seemingly must assume as an article of faith.  I'm not talking about people who are agnostic here or people who simply don't care about matters of faith at all, I'm talking about people who are bona fide atheists, somebody who willingly applies that category to themselves and take pride in it.  The first of all is that there is no God or greater supernatural power in the universe, which is fine in of itself I suppose.  Its a very sad and cold way of looking at the universe though, which is something I'll deal with later.

The second bit of atheism is the more annoying bit of it:  its hatefulness.  Atheists for whatever reason often do not simply deny the existence of God, but actively hate God.  Its a weird sort of paradoxical philosophy:  God does not exists and he sucks if he does.  So religion isn't just incorrect, its an evil to mankind that must be eradicated.  This gets worse though.  If an atheist believes religion is evil, he or she must then come to believe that all people with faith are either fools or worse.  They have come to understand a truth of the universe that the rest of the world is ignorant to.  So then the old evangelizing spirit breaks in, creating a small army of self-righteous atheists spreading their ideas.  Militant atheists have to destroy faith, as the very concept of people believing in God challenges their faith.  Religion isn't just evil, its threatening to their fragile assumptions.

Like all faiths, atheism has an air of certainty, but atheism is especially smug.  Yes, modern science has disproven several of the minor features of the Abrahamic god such as God creating the universe and all life in a week, they seem to think that this gives a scientific basis for the non-existence god in all forms.  (This is based directly in the very long-running Western misconception that religion and science are somehow incompatible.)  But its a long step to go to say that simply because our piece of existence wasn't created exactly as Genesis states to say that God, and all other gods do not exist at all.  But being antireligious requires you not just attack a deity-based belief system, but to attack more abstract systems such as Buddhism*.  You have to fight off both Christianity and paganism, both Genesis and the Elder Edda.  Everybody who finds a higher power in anything is inevitably wrong according to the tenants of atheism - even just crossing your fingers is a delusion you should be cured of.

What I find to be most ridiculous about atheism is its bizarre application of natural law upon what is essentially a supernatural power.  Ultimately science can never disprove God, its a hopeless ever-present state changing cycle.  If science discovers what natural process created the universe, it then must discover what caused that.  There is no upper limit to mysteries to be solved, if indeed existence is infinite.  Ultimately for every answer science gives, there is another frontier to overcome, which may indeed be the work of God.

I'll give an example right now:  according to science there are twenty-five or twenty-six dimensionless physical constants - numbers that remain the same no matter what computation you're undergoing.  These constants have values that are essentially arbitrary, but must be exactly their current value in order for our universe to work in the way it does.  This sort of thing appears a lot in particle physics.  Nobody knows exactly why these numbers are as high or low as they are, but they do know that if they were changed in the slightest bit can change the mass of subatomic particle, change the very way gravity works.  The universe is tuned perfectly for matter to exist in the form that it has now, and if it were tuned any other way, life may not even be possible.  Who decided what these twenty-five constants should be but God**?

But none of that matters.  It doesn't matter if God created you from dust, or created the universe, or gave Moses the Ten Commandments on Mt. Zion, or exists only as an esoteric goodness that works in the world unseen.  Even if God has no natural powers, he/she/it has an undeniable effect upon the human psyche.  Every person in the world has to find his or her place in relation to the divine, even if no divinity exists.  Nobody can deny that every day billions of people spend time praying to their gods, acting in a manner as commanded by their faith, and being inspired by their religious texts or cultural myths.  To simply throw all out the entirety of this massive wellspring of the human experience is to be both cruel and inhuman.  Humans need to find something to believe in, they need to believe there is a force out there that guides their lives either directly or in "mysterious ways".

What inspiration can an atheist get?  As powerful as the fundamental laws of math and science might be, they're hardly a guide to life.  Jesus Christ teaches us to love all people no matter their station, Judaism teaches us to give to those less fortunate and love our community.  Every religion on some level demands that we help those less fortunate than ourselves, love thy neighbor, have families, and make our world a better place in which we found it.  This is what every religion teaches.  Proper religion, no matter what the faith, can find life lessons and beauty in these stories in which we teach.  The Bible, even if just a story, still is a largely beautiful book (except for those rather unfortunate parts in the first half about all the smiting) that inspires people to write symphonies, give alms to the poor, and boldly more forward and advance the human race.

What does atheism teach?  What lessons can you learn from a dark universe in which our very lives, our planet, our emotions, our concept of good and evil, all came from random chance and have no meaning of any kind?  If even our very outlook on life is just a quark of evolution and misappropriated survival instincts, if our very DNA is all just the result of constant dice rolling by chemical compounds, what meaning is there to anything?  Sheer cynical atheism says nothing is looking out for us, the universe is going to break apart, and you're going to die and everything you've done will be forgotten in the end.  We came from nothingness for no reason, and just as pointlessly we're going to fall back into the void.  What lesson is there to be learned from that?  Why even get up in the morning?

You know, for a philosophy that claims to answer so much, it really doesn't answer anything at all.

What I find to be the worst argument about the atheist movement is this unspoken assumption the religion has to be harmful.  It cannot possibly be a good thing and must be destroyed.  I've heard such ludicrous statements as "religion has caused more suffering than other institution in history".  As history student, I find this be an unbelievably false assumption and close-minded interpretation of the facts.  I mentioned above that people all over the world find meaning from their faiths.  Just listen to John Newton's "Amazing Grace", a hymn written to celebrate Christian redemption if you are so foolish as to say "nothing good has ever come out of religion".

Today you may be fooled to believe that religions can cause nothing but harm.  At this moment Jihadists have declared war upon the entire world, the Holy Land is filled with constant warfare, misguided fundamentalists of several faiths deny scientific fact because they think it threatens their beliefs, the Catholic Church is racked by endless scandal, and every day another person martyrs another or are martyred in the name of their God.  But this century (and the last one indeed) is unusual in the size and scale of its religious strife.  For most of the human experience, different faiths have lived side by side in relative harmony, those few unfortunate periods of Holy War being overrepresented in the annuals of history - mostly because those periods are the most interesting.  Today some of the world's largest charities are created in the belief that God has commanded them to help others**.  For many periods of history the only groups that helped the unfortunate were religious orders.  By far religion has done and will do far more good than bad.

I'll admit there are a few humanist philosophies that have groups that work to better help mankind.  But on what basis are they working?  Pure contentment and gratification?  You know that your positive emotions are just manipulations by biology to keep you content enough to reproduce right?  Unless you take it as an article of faith that there is goodness in the universe, that justice and equality are things to strive for, and that living is a good thing, you can never even continue living.  Belief in the goodness of mankind is a faith in of itself.  Belief that the world can be made better through scientific progress is a faith.  You can worship humanity, or a vague morality to the world, but you have to take it as a matter of faith that there is such a thing as good and bad.  In a random universe, how can such divided concepts exist?  All you have is a long string of chains of events with no moral effect one way or another.

What I'm saying here is that its okay to be irrational.  Squeeze your rosary beads, pray in the direction of Mecca five times every day, and don't eat meat.  Its fine.  Find something that gives your life meaning, find something that you love, and just don't be afraid to worship it.  If you love your God so much that you want to paint a picture or compose a song, do it.

Just try to understand if somebody else finds something else meaningful, or thinks you're an idiot for believing what you do.  Its good to just chill out, you know?



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* For whatever reason I have yet to hear an argument against the concept of reincarnation or any other non-Western religious concept.

** Atheists believe that man created God.  So when a person does something in the name of God, its probably a good question to ask if they're doing it because God told them to, or did they choose their God because that divinity fit their world view.  Will a good person become a monster because he thinks that "god hates fags"?  I rather doubt it.

22 comments:

  1. No, the most annoying religion is Jehovah's witnesses. If I didn't want to convert the first three times you knocked on my door, I probably won't want to convert the fourth time either.

    But seriously, I agree with most of it, but not all of the stuff about atheists. I am not an atheist, (actually, I have no idea what I am) but you're being a little too general. Not believing in God, and a hatred, or even resentment of God are two separate beliefs. I've known a few atheists that actually liked God, and just didn't believe in Him. I want to expand on this, but I'm tired.

    I meant no offense to Jehovah's Witnesses. Please just stop coming to my house.

    Goodnight.

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  2. There are a number of common and irritating misconceptions in your post:

    *Atheism is not an ideology. Treating it as a series of concrete beliefs (or tenants, as you said) that all atheists share is fallacious.
    *Atheism doesn't claim to have all the answers.
    *Atheism and anti-theism are not the same thing. Atheists, in general, do not dislike or hate religion. They simply do not believe in God(s), although the exact extent of that belief varies.
    *"[...]they seem to think that this gives a scientific basis for the non-existence god in all forms." This is not the only argument for the non-existence of god that proponents of atheism use, and the one you cite is a poor simplification.
    *Atheists who disagree with religion don't do so because they think it's evil per se, but most often because they feel the attitudes caused by the religion are negatively affecting lives, or because religion is being used to negative ends.
    *"The universe is tuned perfectly for matter to exist in the form that it has now, and if it were tuned any other way, life may not even be possible," is putting the cart before the horse. We exist because the universe allows us to, therefore the universe must be made for us to exist. The conditions are perfect for us because we arose and adapted from them. Your statement ignores that all the physical constants may change in a slightly different universe, allowing forms of life that we may never be able to conceive of to arise.
    *"As powerful as the fundamental laws of math and science might be, they're hardly a guide to life." Here you assume that 1) maths and science are the only inspirations atheists may have and 2) that they cannot offer meaning, inspiration and fulfilment to a person's life.
    *Being an atheist does not mean that you cannot have a moral system. Religion is not the only inspiration one can have in life.

    The last point frustrates me the most. Your line, "We came from nothingness for no reason, and just as pointlessly we're going to fall back into the void. What lesson is there to be learned from that? Why even get up in the morning?" quite pointedly reveals your attitude on the matter. Is it inconceivable to you that meaning can come from a place other than religion? That some people might not see the need of a "point" or "reason" in life? That the fact we arise from chance might not be construed as a bad thing? You claim that atheists feel the need to invalidate the hope people get from religion, but aren't you refuting the inspiration that atheists may find from other sources?

    Are you attacking those who do not believe in a God, or are you attacking those who try to force those beliefs on others? Every institution, whether religious or atheist, scientific or political, has its share of that kind of fundamentalist. The actions of those few should not be generalised to cover the whole, nor their ideas, as you seem to be doing with atheism.

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  3. I beleive that Blue's talking, not about ordinary athiests like your good self, Aarim, but of people like Richard Dawkins. In his book, "The God Delusion", he presents a rather well thoughtout argument, bolstered by scientific fact and the laws of probability, against God's existance. Some his points are, actually, rather good, and had me thinking. However, all my respect for him died when he started to use the exact same language as a chaplin preaching at the pulpit, such as "people who beleive (so-and-so) clearly have not had their minds opened by the beauty of Natural Selection". He also proves to be a complete hypocrite, especially when he says something along the lines of "Creationists not only need to hate science but trample it with their grubby little feet in a desperate need to disprove it". Is that not exactly what he is doing to religon? Why else would he name the book the God *Delusion*.

    I wish to be a scientist myself, I beleive entirely in evolution, and aspire to become a genetic engineer (that most loathed of area of biology), and i have no issue with religion. I beleive that there are more things in this world than we can hope to understand, in fact,I'm actually considering taking up the Baha'i Faith, because that is presisly what they say (If you don't know about Baha'i, look it up. It's pretty cool, like the Jeet Kune Do of religions). Even the head of the Physics Depatrment in my school, whom you would expect to be the most staunchly atheist of the lot, goes to church every week.

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  4. I intensely dislike how Atheism seems to have such negative connotations attached to it. That Atheist seems enlightened and more intelligent because they cast off the shackles of religion does not make them any better than anyone else.

    I think I am an atheist, although it pains me to say it, as when I do it makes people assume I hate all religions. I don't. I just accept that other religions somehow make people feel safer in an otherwise vast and complex universe. Atheism saddens me because it has, in itself become as militant as other religions, trying to force and intimidate people into believing their own 'belief'.

    The one thing that saddens me most though is blatant ignorance. At least these militant and self righteous Atheists believe in something, even if it is, not believing in anything very loudly. I hate people who decide they don't believe in a God or a faith, because they simply can't be bothered. It sickens me that people just shrug and say God doesn't exist because they think that's the easiest thing to say. They are ignorant and lazy. It's too much effort to believe in something so they don't. That is what saddens me most nowadays.

    People who have faith and believe in religion are perfectly logical as well as those who don't. As you yourself said Blue, plenty of good has come from religion as well as bad. I admire those with faith, I lost my faith but I'm not going to try and stomp on anyone elses. The theory that Atheism denies faith means they seem to deny the good faith in people and choose to be cynical and shrewd. This doesn't work for me.

    That's why I dislike identifying as an Atheist, just because I don't believe in God doesn't mean I don't believe in the good in people. I think it's out there... It's just hard to see sometimes. And that's in everyone. Not just religious types.

    Rant over...

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  5. Yuanchosaan: Thank you, that's kind of what I was trying to say only much more detailed and well written.

    Tequila: I actually said I wasn't an atheist, but still, he was being very absolute.

    I looked up the Baha'i faith, and it was interesting, especially how they believe that the other major faiths were all created and sent by the same God. But then why would there be conflictions in the holy writings of each religion?

    hamfruitcake: Yes.

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  6. Without religion Michael Faraday wouldn't have discovered the relationship between electricity and magnetism.

    I go to a Christian school (long story short I thought it was funded by a church and didn't actually teach religion) and instead of Life Orientation we have After-Life Orientation where we get taught Calvinism basically. This is also taught to 3 year olds and up. It makes me angry because these kids are being indoctrinated to tell their friends with anything new or expensive that they're evil and will go to hell. From age 13 I think it's OK cause then you can make your own choices but I have to lie through my teeth in order to pass and I don't like being screamed at that I'm satan's child because I don't believe in God. But I can cope with it, it's really only for one period on a tuesday that I get ostracized and the rest of school is pretty chilled. Dawkins and his ilk can't handle that people believe different to them

    Believe in God over there and I won't over here It causes less problems and no one get's suicide bombed.

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  7. @Yuan: I never said that meaning can't come from something other than religion. Meaning can come from friendship, love, family, community, country, organization, or even (laughably) website. All I ever said was that 1) removing religion from life as people like Richard Dawkins hope to do (who are the only target of this post, by the way) would irreparably weaken the human race and harm our culture, 2) religion CAN be meaningful even if just in a literary way which is a point some atheists seem to dispute, 3) science has not yet disproven all chance for there to be a divine (and I will not get into an argument over God's existence or not), and 4) my own doubts that atheism can even be a fulfilling system to replace all major religions like a few idiots seem to think. Maybe secular humanism can replace religion, but I have my doubts about that as well - its all too close to nihilism for my tastes. You have to have faith in something, and atheists already dislike some kinds of faith.

    I'm sorry if you were offended by my thoughts Yuan. I've always been a moron, so don't be shocked when I act stupidly.

    Also on the idea of a different universe: I don't think this one has yet to be proven except in very complex theoretical concepts like string theory and its endless off-shoots. And who is to say that the Gods of those different universe didn't tune those universe the way they wanted? What force holds the multiverse together but God? See, the cart can always go before the horse. If somebody wants to believe, they will believe.

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  8. I don't think it's stupid to believe in god, but its stupid to assume that god knows what's right and that abandoning your individual morals to an arbitrary way of life based on ancient traditions that are mostly no longer relevant to society? That's stupid. Atheist simply means in greek "Without god". It doesn't mean you have to hate god, it doesn't mean you have to hate religion, it just refers to a personal opinion, not some militant sect. Also, even if there was a god, or even some higher power, or pagan association of spirits, all of which I hold as a possibility, it doesn't mean they give two shits about humans and also doesn't mean that they care about our way of life. If they want to be worshipped, it will only be out of hubris, as it is proven that power corrupts, and it is foolish to assume that something that powerful is wise and benevolent. Many of the most creative achievements of mankind were works inspired by faith, but most of the practical achievements were not. They were motivated either by greed or by war and struggle. But religion's place in culture is waning. Although many religious cultural achievements exist, there are many more that come only from the creative powers of someone's own mind, and increasingly more so with history. As final food for thought, just try to think about all of the times wars, genocides, and social oppression religions have caused. Now think of all the times atheists, who you call "militant", have harmed the religious? There's one. Stalin destroyed all sources of religion in the Soviet union. That's one, out of 10,000 years of human history.
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  9. Oh, just one more response to your ** thing, no, a good person will not become a monster because of religion, but a child who is told from the day he can talk to listen to god, and then later that "god hates fags" will not grow up to be a good person, when, if he was raised in a tolerant household that let him make up his own mind, he would have a choice, which is the best thing. And also, there's two. last week France passed a law that banned Muslims from wearing veils.
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  10. I myself just live under a simple few rules when it comes to this kind of situation:
    1. You can worship whoever, whatever, whenever you want, just don't force it on me.
    2. If I am religiously offensive, just tell me and I will try to fix it.
    3. Just as I can't change your mind about how you worship (or don't, you can't change mine. Threatening me with a miserable afterlife will affect me about as well as you being told "You can't put your wallet in your front pocket."

    Z-Rune

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  11. I've known 9 Atheist's in my life personally. 3 of them committed suicide because they thought they had no hope to live, nothing to keep them going.

    5 are terrible boring people, they're always quick to make fun of me and others for believing in God, and when they propose a thought that's actually a misconception they cover their ears and walk away when we attempt to explain to them. Ya, I'm not even joking.

    The last Atheist, is actually a really close friend. He outright doesn't believe in God, but he doesn't hate religion. Being raised a Roman Catholic like myself, he tells me every time we talk that he will raise his children Catholics as they grow up and then give them a choice when their his age. He tells me that there's nothing wrong with religion as long as it teaches you to help the world, and that's why I like his thoughts.

    Overall, I mostly agree with you Blue. It would have been better to point out that this goes only to the hard-core Atheists, and not all of them. I am a believer in the Roman Catholic Religion, but I do not let it control my life. I'm just a normal guy, not afraid to do crazy things but in the end I'll remember God for how he shaped my life.

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  12. I'm the kind of atheist who thinks religion can be, and has been, used for evil, but I by no means think all people who follow those religions are evil. I have many relatives and friends, for example, who are Roman Catholic, a religion which has, even sometimes to it's leader's own admittance, done great evil in the past. That does not mean that my friends and relatives are evil, or that it's current leaders are evil. Like political systems, religious systems, and philosophical systems, can all be used to sway people to do things that I consider evil. Mo, a good person will not become a monster because he thinks "God hates fags," but a stupid person might. Homosexuals are brutally beaten and even sometimes killed by heterosexuals in this country, due to their inherent evilness which some religions claim them to hold, because God meant men to mate with women.

    There's more I want to say but I've run out of time. I'll continue later.

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  13. @YKP: Sorry to hear about that, man. I feel sorry for you and their families.

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  14. I think Yuan proves amazing points that you should have indeed taken into account, however I think the point within your point is slightly more important and even acts as a rebuttal to your entire post.

    What I mean is, you go on and on about how Atheists say that believing in a faith is stupid, and at the same time can't hear a word against their belief that God does not exist. This in itself does exactly what religion does. I'll explain.

    In any faith, there is always the sense that God loves you. No matter what, no matter how horribly you've acted, there will always be some love from God to you, and some hope that God will forgive you; some dream that you and I can repent from the things we regret most in our lives. Oftentimes, this isn't stated in any religion. It's either act good, you'll go to heaven/paradise or achieve Nirvana or be happy with how you lived in some way, shape, or form, or act bad and rot in hell. It's far too streamlined and solidified for anyone's taste, because we are indeed all human. And all of us will make some grave mistake we will regret our entire lives. Is it okay to believe you won't go to hell for it? Of course. I believe myself that if anyone truly feels remorse and wants to change, then you're already on the path to hope and happiness again.

    It's the same with Atheists, but in a different sense. The worst believe, ironically, that God was humanity's greatest mistake. However, they strive to fix that, and prove that there never was a god at all; that we got to this point in the universe because we did it, not God. It was us. That sense of individualism is what most religions lack. If a Christian barely escapes being murdered and has just crossed the line into extreme safety, the first thing he or she will do is thank God for the protection He offered. To an Atheist, he or she will cross into the line of safety and feel immense pride that they(forgive the grammatical disagreements in my post; I'm tired) have done it themselves. They have lived on another minute because of their efforts, not some God that they can't even see proof of. It's as if Atheism is more like blatant individualism and pride, without having anybody else to thank for what they have but themselves.

    Now, I'm a Muslim. I may not pray five times a day like I should, but I do hold the faith, and I'm proud to hold that faith because it's what I choose to believe in. I'm proud to hold my faith, and I'm sure you feel the same about whatever yours might be. One of my best friend is an Atheist. I'm not that well educated deep into my religion enough yet sadly to know if God will condemn my atheist friend, but I choose not to believe that. My friend is one of the kindest people you could ever meet. She doesn't deserve to go to hell. And so, I go against what many religions say and can almost guarantee that she'll go to Paradise/Heaven, regardless of your beliefs. It's more how you live your life, and how you feel about it. And this comes around to my final point. In your entire blog post you say that people with religion can believe whatever they want to, despite many of their just as close-minded views on people with other religions, or Atheists. Don't Atheists get that same right? Aren't we in fact, according to Jesus, all human? Don't we ALL have the right to believe what we believe in, and, although it's a bit sad, be so proud of it that we condemn others? We're all human in the end, and we also will probably never wrap our head around any of this stuff anyway. Even if we do... in the meantime, we can all choose.

    This so isn't my area of expertise but... I hope I made some amount of sense.

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  15. @Eric: I don't mean to say you're being idiotic, and I wasn't offended by your opinion. I thought you had meant to attack the New Atheist movement and/or anti-theism, but your post was addressed on the surface to atheism as a whole.

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  16. Wee made some very good points. I have to disagree with the end of the 4th paragraph however. Yes, we thank God, but overall we are immensely happy. I've had a situation where me and at least 15 other guys were bolting from the cops. Now, I didn't do anything, but apparently one of the guys was growing weed there or something, so we'd all get capped.

    Amazingly, 3 of us escaped, including me. I was literally shouting in victory, both happy to be out and thanking God. So in a sense, that individualism can be equal to our thanks to God. Both are pretty much equal in greatness.

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  17. Oh, thanks Blue. I appreciate you're emotions, but it's OK now, I've gotten past the sad times.

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  18. I consider myself an atheist, but I don't mind religion. I agree with you that a lot of good has come from religions, and many people just need to believe in something. I don't like it when people try to force their beliefs (or lack thereof) upon others. Don't try to change my way of life, and I won't try to change yours.

    Except for one thing: Jews, and I think Muslims aren't allowed to eat bacon, this is wrong and should be changed, bacon is one of life's greatest joys.

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  19. LMAO Nicholas, that was hilarious. Ya, some forced rules are just too crazy. Thankfully all I gotta do is wear a cross, go to Church every now and then, and find my own way of communication with God :P

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  20. Actually, the Christian faith advises against eating any kind of Pork as well. :P

    There is a reason why we don't eat bacon/pork. Pigs in general are some of the dirtiest and bacteria-infected animals out there. I love pigs and all, but, just as I would never eat a squirrel, I wouldn't eat a pig either. It's just that modern culture doesn't seem to care. However pass turkey bacon down my table and it'll be gone before it gets close to the edge.

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  21. I'm not a fan of playing apologist for Richard Dawkins, but I have to say he's not as bad as people make out. The title of Darwin's Rottweiler fits him better than crazed religion-hater.

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  22. I'm an Athieist, but I'm not hateful. I don't resent you for liking God or being Christian.

    Religion, in my opinion, was created for two reason: to explain all the facets of reality (where we came from, who we are) and to tell us to be good people. We now can do the former with science. However, religion is still needed to help guide people into a good sense of themselves.

    Also, I don't try to insult people who are, unlike, say, you. This post is the biggest bigot toward Atheism I've seen. It wouldn't bother me if you knew nothing about it, but apparently you spent so much time talking about the nageatives, you must know just as many positives. Either that, or I just made an ass out of yourself.

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